Note from Sarah Faith - Today's post is by a good friend and long time follower of Shewithunveiledface.com, Matt Rose. Matt and I met finally on Twitter and found that we have similar tastes in theology and humor as well as a shared love for God. He is a proud husband and Daddy. You can find Matt on twitter @MatthewSRose and follow his blog on Tumbr. :)
I think we’ve all met “that” guy. After reading some book or
“praying about it,” he decides it’s totally cool with God if he drinks alcohol like others drink coffee.
Now his Facebook “Likes” are all breweries and local bars, and you rarely see
him without a drink in his hand. Because, after all, he’s free now. If someone mentions to him about maybe toning it down, they’re usually met with an impromptu discussion on
the evils of legalism and the beauty of grace, which implies that anyone whose
opinion differs from his is probably just a legalist.
If you know that guy, I’m sorry. If you are that guy, I’m
sorry I’m not sorry.
The alcohol conversation can certainly spark a lot of
back-and-forth controversy among church-goers.
Likewise, there are other topics that often end up
going that same direction.
This isn’t one of them.
If the truth can be told, this isn’t one of them because
most everyone already has his or her mind made up on the issue. The issue gets shot down before it even gets brought up.
And I can’t
call it legalism, because there is no law for anyone to be “living by the
letter.”
The Bible doesn’t really seem to speak on the issue of discussion—which is why we
shouldn’t necessarily call it “the road map for life” as so many seem to stereotype it.
The Bible is not just the moral equivalent of the popular diet book “Eat This Not That” as so many seem to treat it.
However, the Bible is the story of God’s people from one end of time to the other.
It’s up
to each of us to prayerfully find our place in that story and to determine how the Holy Spirit
would have us walk in our culture—in our cities, in our workplaces, in our
neighborhoods, and in our families.
With this being said, the topic up for discussion is this: whether men
and women can just be friends.
Whether they can be just friends.
There really
only seem to be two views.
There are some people who say the answer is “No.”
And there are some people who say the answer is “Yes.”
You’re welcome.
Now, let’s take a look at the logic behind
each of those.
- Those Who Say "No"
Those who say “No” to friendships between a man and a woman
typically think of the When Harry Met
Sally relationship.
Two people start as friends, but it’s inevitable that
they will fall in love with each other—whether it takes several weeks, several
months, or several years.
Or the “No” crowd, at the least, believes that
happens more often than not.
- Those Who Say "Yes"
Those who say “Yes” to friendships between a man and a woman—well—there
is no “typically” there.
I don’t think that’s a very typical point of view at
all. At least not among Christians.
And I’m aiming this post at professing Christians.
Picture this: the Bible says we shouldn’t knowingly be
joined in marriage with those who don’t share our faith in Christ. (How
politically incorrect! Maybe we should vote to amend that. That’s the American
way, right?)
So, if we know we shouldn’t marry those who are outside our faith,
we probably shouldn’t date them either, because dating leads to marriage.
Now,
the Bible doesn’t say we can’t date them. It’s an argument from silence.
But it
is wise. Because dating does bind us to a person, emotionally, spiritually, et
cetera.
But to avoid dating someone outside our faith, we probably shouldn’t be
friends with them either.
Because friendship could easily lead to dating.
And
while we’re at it, we probably shouldn’t talk to people outside of our faith,
because then we might become their friends.
So there you have it.
The conventional wisdom is this:
if
you talk to someone who doesn’t share your faith in Christ, you could very well
end up married to them. And that’s a sin. So check yourself.
Applying that to our topic of discussion looks something like this:
the
Bible says we shouldn’t have sex with anyone we aren’t married to—whether we
are married to someone else already or not.
And as we seem to all know, relationships between a man and
a woman almost always end up hot and heavy.
To avoid getting hot and heavy with
someone we aren’t married to and won’t marry, we should avoid becoming friends—unless
we’re part of a big group of friends that always travels as a group.
Oh, wait.
That’s how Christian high schoolers are taught to date.
So I guess that’s still
dating. Yeah, on second thought, it’s probably better if you just avoid
becoming friends with anyone of the opposite sex.
Unless you plan to marry
them. (What do you mean you can’t know that unless you first become their
friend and get to know them?)
Realistically, the fact that we believe sex—I mean, romance—is
unavoidable tells on us a little bit.
It tells that we as Christians have reduced
relationships to what we get out of them.
We’re following our Western culture
and looking for a return on our investment of time and interactions with
others. And since sex is the maximum return, well, that’s where our minds go.
I’m going to say something crazier than a one-legged man at
a butt-kicking contest.
Sex is not the maximum return we can expect
in a relationship with the opposite sex.
To me, I think the greatest return comes when we stop
looking for one.
When we start giving sacrificially without expecting any
repayment at all.
When we give to people who don’t have the means or the
ability to give back.
Now, let’s be real.
Ninety-something percent of our
relationships will be with people who can give back to us.
What I’m talking
about is a mindset. Putting it simply, there is more joy in being a giver than
in being a taker, to which most of us can attest.
So when we stop worrying about what we can get out of a
relationship, we are finally free to love those around us. And sex and romance
aren’t even on the radar anymore.
Marriage is an analogy. It points to something else—something
greater.
And that, as every church-goer has heard at some point, is the union
between Christ and his Church. Its the whole "two-become-one-ness" that will take place
when heaven is joined to earth and the kingdom of God comes in full.
Marriage is a picture of intimacy between God and his
people. But so is every other relationship. Even—maybe especially—the ones
where you will never see a return on your investment of time and interactions.
After all, what could ever do to repay God for what he’s done for us through
the work of Christ and the gift of his Spirit? Let me say it one more time,
because it bears repeating:
The marriage
relationship alone is as incomplete a picture of intimacy as the male gender is
an incomplete picture of the full image of God.
Scandalous? I know.
To really understand the intimacy we can have with God, we need to look at all of our relationships.
If we’re
married, that’s a picture of it. If we have a close friend, that’s a picture of
it. If we’re parents, that’s a picture of it. If we’re children, that’s a
picture of it.
Every healthy relationship we have points to the intimacy we can
have with God—now and in the age to come.
To hear what I'm not saying, lets go back and revisit the story about "that" guy.
The one who really likes
all the craft beer? Well, his story makes a point I'd like to mention.
Writing to the Corinthian church the apostle Paul said, “’Everything
is permissible,’ but not everything is beneficial.”
In other words, just
because you can, it doesn’t mean you should.
...Or that you have to, in order to
prove you aren’t a backwoods legalist.
For example, if you struggle with lust,
it’s probably not wise to start fostering tons of close friendships with people
of the opposite sex. If you’re married and your spouse doesn’t feel comfortable
with it, don’t do it.
Period. (There are exceptions in cases of abuse, but that would be a different discussion altogether.) And I would even go so far as to say you shouldn’t seek
these relationships out simply because I said it’s not a sin. The Bible tells
us wine is a gift from God, but it also warns us of the danger of being led
astray by it.
So it is with male-female friendships.
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I’ll admit this, in closing: I have a close friend of the
opposite sex. But I didn’t seek her out.
I didn’t decide one day that it was
okay to take a drink, so to speak, and then fill three carts at the liquor
store.
God brought her my way.
We've set boundaries so we wouldn't get sidetracked or be tempted by the siren song of the culture around us—the song that sings
of nothing greater than what we can get out of something.
Its the song that sings that there's nothing
greater than sex in this male-female relationship.
But we choose a different way.
If we talk about anything, our spouses are both aware of it.
And if they ever had to draw a line in the sand, we would never cross it.
We know that as long as the culture around us continues to look for a return in
every relationship, temptation will whisper in our ears.
But the beauty of
breaking free from the mentality that is so deeply set in the culture around us— the beauty of realizing that it really is more blessed
to give than to receive—is that the temptation's whispers and the siren's songs lose their allure.
Why?
Because the truth is, sex isn’t the
only picture of intimacy.
Neither is sex the inevitable end of every
relationship with the opposite sex.
Christians - Followers of Jesus need to think outside the box as our creative Father thinks outside the box. Relationships and community is no exception.
Unless of course you believe every relationship is
meant to satisfy you. Unless your definition of satisfaction in true relationship is really that
narrow.
Hmmm. Judging by the title of this post (Can Christian Men and Women be "Just Friends"?), I was expecting a diatribe on whether Christian men and women could be just friends. I was not expecting a discussion on abusing grace to get away with drinking. Or a review of Western dating rituals.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I think C.S Lewis does a great job of summing up this topic (the actual topic stated in the title) in the Four Loves by saying "No". You can have more or less acquaintances with the opposite sex, but the whole "we're just friends" doesn't float, especially once you're married.
It's very thought provoking. I'm married, I would not want my husband close friends with someone if the opposite sex. We have seen MANY great men of God fall simply because they thought alone time was okay. I'm not saying my husband shouldn't have female friends, but hanging out alone is out as is me hanging out alone with men. It's to simply safeguard us and keep us from temptation of falling. Sometimes siding with caution is beneficial.
ReplyDeleteI also agree all relationships are a picture of God but marriage shows something more. It shows commitment and devotion is shows raw passion that God has for us!!! When my husband and I are insanely passionate about each other it makes me know a side of my Jesus that I would not have known any other way. It's a heart fluttering Song of Solomon intense passion that makes it hard To breathe!!! Being married and only being married has shown me that and helped me understand sacrificial love! I have been around the ministry block and most of my relationships have been ones where I recieve nothing back and they have been wonderful, but that's not how Jesus works!!!! He always gives back, he loves us no matter what storm comes! That's how it is in my marriage! We have faced job loss, homelessness, two unplanned pregnancies, fights that are awful, racial discrimination and we have chosen to sacrifice our own rights and love each other through the mess and that's what Jesus does!! Friendships are great and teach us a lot about Christ, but marriage shows us CRAZY intimate things!! That's why my husband and I have the boundaries we do! To protect the beautiful thing God gave us!!! Now before marriage I had a tin if guy friends, and I still do I just do not hang out with them one on one! Sorry so long!!
-Rachel Jones-
If it's any comfort, Rachel, I wouldn't advocate for any married man to be alone with any girl except his wife. Nor would I say a married woman should spend time alone with a man to whom she isn't married. Boundaries are definitely necessary. That's why I said that no friendship is worth pursuing in any sense or fashion if it makes your spouse uncomfortable. That's sinning against, them, yourself, and God, and I think we'd all agree that is serious business. =)
ReplyDeleteAlso, my hope in writing this is to validate whatever relationships God gives you. Not everyone will marry, and I don't think anyone should feel God has withheld the most important of human relationships from them. I know that, for me, it's my friends who tend to ask the hardest questions of me. My wife is the one who supports me as I learn how to follow Christ more closely. She isn't the one who usually points out my every error on that journey. I think you can see how that might go badly.
All that to say, I believe, from the sound of it, that God has definitely given you something incredibly special in your husband (as he has given me something incredibly special in my wife). He has given us himself. Maybe he reveals more of himself to you through your husband. Maybe there are moments--even seasons--where you gain a greater revelation of him as he displays his image through your friends or family. In all our relationships, I believe he is simultaneously giving us himself and giving us an opportunity to feed him, clothe him, and visit him. My hope is that this post enables us to see him and serve him in every one of our relationships.
PS - Please don't apologize for a long comment! I know what I think. I'd rather hear someone else's thoughts and have dialogue, if possible. I stand to learn as much as anybody reading this, if not more. =)
I too was hoping for a concrete answer to the question posed in the title. Though, I guess some things in life just aren't concrete. I, a single woman, do have some married guys that I would consider friends. Though I don't hang out with them one on one, for the same reasons Rachel explained above.
ReplyDeleteWhere it gets tricky for me is the single guys I know. Some I can be friends with, some I can't. I recently got together with one of said guys for the first time for some bro/sis time as was communicated before we hung out that it would be. It was one of the most encouraging conversations I've ever had. For a few hours we talked about life, the Lord and shared dreams and vision. It's been a long time since I've been able to share so freely with a guy. I feel like we both offered something of value to each other. My heart was so full when I left.
On the other hand, there's another guy with whom I'm not sure the kind of friendship above is going to work. After expressing interest in pursuing me and me telling him I'm not interested in that kind of relationship, I'm not sure he's completely gotten it yet. It's hard though, because he's someone I end up seeing very regularly, and I can't change that. Not that I necessarily want to. I do enjoy talking with him, and I genuinely care about him. But is a friendship possible? That remains to be seen. And that kinda stinks. Sometimes I wish things didn't have to be so complicated.
I think the trouble is that there is no concrete answer to this question. In theory, the answer is definitely "Yes." But in reality, we still live in a world that is plagued with evil and sin. Sin that easily leads us to live beneath our calling.
ReplyDeleteMy hope in writing the way I did was to paint a picture of what I think relationships ought to be. Way more often, we hear people come from the negative direction, saying what relationships ought not to be. That doesn't teach us how to live, and it creates fear in us that we might screw it up if we try it at all. And oh, how many blessings we miss when we live in fear!
From there, if you are approaching relationships with a pure heart but those you know are not, then it won't work well. But you're not to blame. You can only be held responsible for how you walk--whether that's according to the Spirit of God or according to the ways of our unredeemed flesh. But my hope is that you are equipped to view relationships differently and that as you live that out, you will inspire others to see the beauty of what God has given us in each of our relationships.
Matt, you have four challenges in such friendships. There can be a vigorous intentionality in following Jesus (do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." The richness of ongoing transparency, of nurturing deep trust, openness in integrity, seeking the beauty of "something more" in friendship (for centuries the fullness Christian friendship was experiencing the beauty of God on earth), this is the way forward. Yes, there are boundaries to navigate. Yes, there is a trial and error in friendship in exploring this risk--but hunting for beauty and wholeness in cross-gender friendship--this is the path forward in the 21st century.
DeleteEver played Minesweeper? That's what I think guy-girl friendship is like: It's difficult, you have to be careful, most people have no idea what they're doing with it, and even the ones who really do sometimes have to just guess and end up blowing up.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I hate the idea of just throwing the baby (or the potential risk of babies?) out with the bathwater. I have a couple of godly sisters whose advice and friendship I consider priceless... but those friendships have definitely been a lot of work to carefully establish and maintain. So I'd say yes, godly "just friendship" can happen between a guy and girl, even though it very often ends in some type of explosion.
Finally, to me the idea of boundaries is secondary to the idea of viewing relationship not just for what you can get out of it but what you can give. That's the most important thing you're saying here, and it changes everything. I pray I can live more like that, in all my friendships as well as my "Facebook official" relationship :)
Wowsers!! Great post!!! I recently made this observation in my talk at the Sacred Friendship Gathering talk last month: "Scratch the surface in this something more and you won't find sex--you will find people longing and yearning for what is good, what is deeply beautiful, what is just, what is deep pleasure, what is embodied affection, what is intimate trust in all deep human connection."
ReplyDeleteIt's possible. I'm single and have married male friends. I spend one on one time with them with the *complete blessing* of their wives (and even encouragement). We didn't start out doing that, but over years of knowing each other, the trust is there all around. I honor their marriages, and they honor my integrity. And the longer I'm single, the more deeply grateful I am for those relationships.
ReplyDeleteFriend is friend... Everyone would be friend each other...
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The answer to this question is "No." But let's define "friends": intimate friends who spend one-on-one time together and closely confide in one another. So, yes I a male, have fun, friendly relationships with females, including my friends wives. But none of these "friends" are girls I go on one-on-one outings with, or deeply confide in.
ReplyDeleteYou're completely off-base when you talk about about viewing "what we get out of relationships" in the negative. That is absolutely an essential consideration. Because in your relationships - romantic w/ the opposite sex, or platonic with your buddies - you should not be "unequally yoked." Relationships are about "eros" love, or "philos" love, which does require you get something out of it or it's unhealthy, and one-sided. This is not to be confused with "agape" love - which is the selfless, Godly sort we should demonstrate to all.
Men and Women can't be just friends, and it be a healthy relationship. What healthy person wants to intimately bond all day with someone of the opposite sex, only at the end of the day to watch them leave and crawl into someone else's bed?
Great post. I wish I had discovered it before a few months ago. I actually just had a book published on Amazon called "Can Christian Men and Women be Friends?" which talks on this same subject.
ReplyDeleteThanks for taking time to stand for truth.
Great post. I wish I had discovered it before a few months ago. I actually just had a book published on Amazon called "Can Christian Men and Women be Friends?" which talks on this same subject.
ReplyDeleteThanks for taking time to stand for truth.